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Below is a letter I found on the internet while performing a search on Jim McCotter. I tried to email Ken Nicholson who wrote it at the email address listed at the end of the letter but 5 years later the email address doesn’t seem active anymore.
Does anyone know how to contact this Ken Nicholson or anyone else mentioned in the letter from New Zealand?
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An open letter to Jim McCotter
Jim
My wife and I are sitting at home, worried, sad and with our future in serious tatters – because of one man’s greed.
We have just been made unemployed by a messenger. I am 57 and a damn good journalist who no longer has a job – because of one man’s greed.
Now Jim, you are a Christian, so God will give you the courage to read on. Mind you, God says that greed is a sin – but don’t worry Jim, he’ll give you the courage to read on.
Since I was employed, in good faith, by The Citizen, I have worked as many as seventy hours a week for that newspaper, giving it my very best because I am a professional journalist with a huge pride about the standard of work I put out. I was underpaid because of the meanness of my employer, who though that, as an American, they were somehow smarter than we dumb Kiwis.
But don’t worry Jim, you’re a Christian and you do no wrong. And God will give you strength to read on.
About seven months ago, good journalists and good friends of mine lost their jobs because of your ambition to be richer. Actually they call that greed – and greed is a sin. Not content with being filthy rich, you wanted to be richer. Mind you, God was watching over you.
But read on Jim, because God will give you the courage to do so.
You sit back in your little castle somewhere in Colorado or Florida, lauding your pleasures. But, of course, that is fine, while other good people you have trodden upon and spat out without any feeling what-so-ever, are now unemployed. Sam Cooper – remember Sam ? His youngest son was diagnosed with leukemia two months ago and is dying.
I was with Sam tonight. He was absolutely distraught. Sam didn’t know how to go back to tell his wife he had lost his job, with his son lying in hospital – all because of one man’s greed and the total lack of understanding he (you, Jim) have for people.
Mind you Jim, you’re a Christian and God is looking after you, isn’t he ! He’ll give you courage to read on.
Chris Mealing is trying to pick up her life, to look after her eight year-old daughter. Her husband committed suicide because of the trauma he had put his fellow workers through because of your lack of feeling for your fellow man. A week before he died, Grant Mealing told me he couldn’t face what he had done to others, like Coen and Bryn, who had lost their jobs after they had trusted you as an employer.
But don’t worry Jim, because you are a Christian, remember.
And God will give you the strength to read on.
Grant Mealing took his own life, because of you. YOU are responsible – no-one else ! But don’t worry Jim, because you are a Christian. Chris doesn’t have a husband any more – and lovely wee Fleur doesn’t have a father.
Why do you want to make more money Jim ? Haven’t you got enough already. You are a Christian remember, and greed is a sin. But don’t feel bad, Jim, God will look after you, because you are a Christian.
Unfortunately, you haven’t got the courage to face your workers. You left New Zealand like the coward you are, but don’t worry Jim, you are a Christian and God will give you courage to read on.
But, of course, you left your daughter here, dripping in her diamonds and fancy designer clothes, belittling New Zealanders because of her wealth. And she had her gold digging husband to help us out – unfortunately, he wasn’t as journalist’s arsehole, as his journalistic judgement has since proved. I have done a bit of background work on Jonathon and, from people he worked with in Europe, he is a journalistic lightweight of little consequence. Otherwise, I suppose, The Citizen would still be operating.
But, while we all worked our guts out, hour after hour, every day, Jonathon and Shannon ponced around Christchurch, wining and dining during their three-hour lunches, laughing off any problems as though they didn’t exist. He cost you a lot of money but, don’t worry Jim, because he’s got his eyes on a lot more when you’re gone.
Unfortunately, what Americans don’t realise – and I have experienced many in my home in the last three or four years – is that they are the dumbest people on earth. They think that life is all about materialistic things and wealth. As I tried to impress upon Jonathon at one stage, “class” not about where you eat, what wines you drink and how well your fancy suit is cut. “Class” is from within.
I’m pleased God gave you the courage to read on Jim….. because it means I can finally write of my absolute contempt for you – and everthing you stand for.
The only justice, in this whole exercise, is that hopefully, you have lost a few million dollars. Thank you God – you see, strangely, I am a believer too – a real one.
Ken Nicholson [kenpam@xtra.co.nz]
I am very, very sorry to hear the grief in this letter. I don’t doubt that what you say about McCotter is true. However, I have to say, based on this example, you are not a very good journalist.
ps – I’m an American, I’m not dumb, nor am I a materialist.
I did cross reference it to the Decommissioned blog to see if anyone there can provide some insight. It does ring an extremely vague bell. Other than that, unable to provide any qualified information. I will try to put it under the thread McCotter poison.
I’m very curious to hear more details on McCotter’s New Zealand projects.
Below the double line is a portion of a post by Larry Pile on the De-Commissioned blog site under the CATEGORY of Wellspring and then a POST of “Questions for Larry Pile” and then it is COMMENT #43.
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Here’s another email, this one from a woman who worked for McCotter’s short-lived media empire in New Zealand. I received this in 2002:
“Thank you so very much for your email.
“Larry, what I share with you, I do not want to be opened to the New Zealand media. I am in a difficult to impossible situation and it would damage me further. But, I must share with you and hope that I can trust you – as having been a victim of this man and his cohorts.
“This man, Jim McCotter, has destroyed the lives and livelihoods of so many people here, (one work mate committed suicide this year), homes have been thrown into dissent, professional lives have been damaged, local businesses have been ‘hood winked’ – under the banner of Jim McCotter’s christianity, with Roland Ripamonti as his ‘right hand man’. These are men who claim to be christians and doing things as per christianity. Their hands are stained with blood.
“Many, who have worked with them, would never enter or re-enter a christian church or organisation because of their understanding of christianity as lived through these people. Myself, I will never work for a known chris-tian firm or manager again.
“I expect that not all christians are like these people but, it is not the kind of world in which I have found in-tegrity, honesty, and human value to be to be of any importance: where, to question these people is interpreted as questioning G-d. My personal and professional life has been bruised deeply. I have always worked hard and lived honestly, under the gaze of G-d, but, now that is all in disarray. I shall not regain my position or credibility pro-fessionally, I live with the tattered remains of what these people have left me, after having invaded my private life and professional life.
“They lie, intimidate, threaten, deceive, engineer cruel scenarios against people, etc. etc.
“Who will hold these people accountable? Christians make a stand against issues that contradict their religion and institutional rules but, what about when one of their ranks takes up the sword unfairly against others? To whom is he answerable? Will his christian friends and groups simply act as Pilate and wipe their hands of the re-sponsibility and find peace and relief in the hope that ‘he will be accountable on his death bed’?
“Why do these christians continually put vast sums of money at Jim McCotter’s disposal in order that he may work his evil further? Who are these people? What is their agenda? Do they not know the damage that is being caused in the name of their religion?
“Perhaps it will be that McCotter and Ripamonti and their associates will come up against others with even less scruples than themselves.
“Larry, I have seen such destruction at the hand of these men, and no-one is holding them to account. In my way, I shall attempt to fight these people. I am one small person but, if we don’t stand for something in life, we risk falling for everything.
“I fell for the promise of a company that firstly stood for high professional and personal ethics, stability, in-tegrity, truth, etc. These people, to this day lie to the people – within their organisation and to the public through their media. Their newspaper, ‘The Citizen Today’ is known as a christian newspaper so many will be fooled by their lies whilst others will simply reaffirm the folly of christianity as is apparent through their published lies. To whom does this matter? The people who give these vast sums of money to McCotter and his ‘gang’ must surely be in agreement with him and the crimes he perpetuates.
“I feel an anger that I have never experienced before. It is an indignation at seeing wrong-doing against inno-cent people.
“McCotter and his henchmen have the audacity to claim this country and our city as their own and yet talk of getting rid of our government, etc. They talk of destroying certain businesses and engineering the destruction of people’s lives.
“Do they work for or are they being funded by a christian organisation? There is obviously a lot of cash in-volved as these men and their families stay in expensive hotels and recently McCotter has bought a very expen-sive home in Christchurch.
“They live the lives of the very wealthy, and talk in terms of money being the great reward.
“Please, who are the people behind them?
“The men who are involved locally are; Jim McCotter (American), Roland Ripamonti (American Italian) and his 15 year old son, Andrew and wife Marizia, Geoff Botkin (American) and his son, David, Louis de Beer (South African), Shannon Hunt (McCotter’s daughter), Jonathon Hunt (English)(Shannon’s husband), Simon Hunt (Jona-thon Hunt’s brother and his wife), Holly LeFors (American).
“You can well imagine not only the anti-christian feeling amoung some people in our community but also the anti-American feeling, because of these people.
“Larry, I do not know how much of my own story I can tell about my employment and personal dealings with these people but to say that I see them for who they are: evil men with an evil agenda.
“Presently, a majority of their sales staff are christians who seem to be ‘hood winked’ by ‘the cause’. Those who question their ethics, etc. are ‘released’ under various guises. Christians wil not fight because they feel that they are fighting G-d’s will, etc.
“New Zealand has never experienced such a flaunting of human rights laws as have been perpetuated by these men under the banner of christianity. I must leave this now but, hope to hear from you again. I feel quite alone with this thing and appreciate so much your email. Thank you.
“XXXXX”
Larry Pile needs your prayers. Over the years, he found a way to blame Jim for his problems and had made it his ambition to do as much harm to Jim McCotter as he could. The resulting bitterness must have been terrible for Larry. Jim says Larry was a good brother who just went astray. He wouldn’t accept correction, which was made out of love for him according to Matthew 18. Pray for this brother.
Jim is on live today talking about those, like many here, that have tried to divide rather than unite when things were getting started all those years ago. I pray that many of you will be able to continue on, ask for forgiveness, forgive, and move on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIXbsklJmCw
Below the double line is a portion of a post by Larry Pile on the De-Commissioned blog site under the CATEGORY of Wellspring and then a POST of “Questions for Larry Pile” and then it is COMMENT #43.
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Here’s one from a man who was an executive of McCotter’s aircraft company. This was addressed to Paul Martin in September 2002:
“Just an inquiry on my part – this may be a curiousity that I should stay out of.
“I am trying to figure out a man who seems to violate so many axioms and generally raises a dust cloud be-hind himself.
“Is there any chance that I, presumptuously, can provide him with a lifeline to the truth?
“I have spent a little over a year and a half as [an executive] for a dysfunctional kit jet airplane company owned by millionaire Jim McCotter.
“I am a well-grounded, and I think, fairly rational Roman Catholic (charismatic and ecumenical) Christian, and try to do a lot of evagelization myself.
“As a contrast – I don’t have any buring bridges, and my old friends worldwide are still my friends, converted Christian or unaffected by my prattling.
“Jim and I parted ways in business, but still dialogue. No, I have not been particularly hurt by him.
“My question is this:
“How does a man so well-versed in the Christian scriptures and who tries so hard to evangelize, leave such a large trail of burning bridges behind him?
“How can such a loudly-professed Christian have no love? Why can’t he allow others to have their dignity in his presence?
“I, myself, escaped degradation because I stood my ground and refused to bargain with him. I did have a “way out” through my own business network, I guess.
“Where did his money originally come from? (I hope it didn’t somehow come from the Great Commission International!)
“Why does he not devote himself to evangelization, and not exclusively to making money?
“He may be a case of the seed landing on REALLY thorny ground.
“Do you know him very well?
“Thanks in advance for your kind response!
“XXXXX”
Later, a former employee of Maverick Jets (I forget whether it was this man or another one) told me by phone that McCotter ordered a test flight of the latest model, but when informed that there were still some bugs to be worked out, he insisted it be flown. Consequently, the chief test pilot of the firm flew the plane, crashed, and was killed. So, Sam, I hope you’ll pardon me, or at least understand, if I focus on the negative when it comes to Jim McCotter.
Below are some of the names of people who worked for Jim McCotter in New Zealand in approximately 2000 and 2001. Can everyone help us find these people and make them aware of this blog on Jim McCotter so that they can post their experiences on it???
Ken Nicholson
Sam Cooper
Denyse Saunders (she is all over the internet and hopefully will reply back to some of our communications)
Gary Anderson
Kris Herberet
Phil McCarthy
Bryn Summerville (this is correct spelling)
Coen Lammers
Grant Mealing (committed suicide – Ken Nicholson blames Ken as posted in the COMMENT #1)
Chris Mealing (Grant’s wife…she did not work for Jim that we know of)
Also, the lady who wrote the letter in COMMENT #4 above.
If anyone knows of companies Jim McCotter has had and those companies laid off employees or fired employees at will, please list those companies names, locations and approximate date of lay offs…and any other pertinent information.
Let’s try and get those people involved to tell their stories.
Just to let everyone know Jim and Rolland are at it again. I was scamming through craigslist ads in Colorado and I came upon someone posting an Ad for Maverick Jets and Life TV Network Interns and obviously it all made sense. They are officed at the Centennial Airport Executive Terminal and im guessing have something up their sleeves
Here’s a newspaper article on one of Jim’s post-GC companies:
Jeff Truesdell,
The Weekly
January 17, 1991
Jim McCotter, who pulled the plug December 20 on his hobbled Sun newspapers, no longer glides into the Sun lot in his red Porsche. He still visits the shuttered main office in Ocoee, but these days — perhaps to disguise his presence, or perhaps just to protect the car from vandals — he arrives in another vehicle.
Says one former Sun manager: “He probably has reason to be paranoid.”
Launched 15 months ago with titanic hopes and bigger boasts, the weekly tabloid of neighborhood news grew to 18 editions before layoffs thinned coverage and McCotter’s own tactics chased away an ardent buyer — certainly once, perhaps twice. Unwilling to ante up further, he called it quits, forcing the last 96 employees — all of whom were owed at least two weeks’ wages — into the street without paychecks five days before Christmas.
Immediately locks were changed and guards posted. Employees who learned of the closing at about 5 p.m. on a Thursday were more or less escorted out. Those who left earlier learned they could return Friday for their belongings. In fact, few have been allowed back inside. As of last week many still awaited overdue pay.
McCotter, a dynamic and self-assured businessman, has yet to offer an explanation. Though engaged for 14 months in a regular exercise of the First Amendment, in the end he handled the press as he did his employees — with silence.
Requests made over a three-week period by telephone, letter and in person for an interview with THE WEEKLY were ignored. Reached late last week at his Windermere home, an agitated McCotter said, “As a rule I generally don’t give interviews. I never have.”
He referred the caller back to his office, which directs inquiries to Orlando attorney Doug Bowdin, who relies on the last statement issued by Sun Newspaper Group: “Due to circumstances beyond our control, the Sun is having to temporarily suspend publishing. This period of temporary suspension begins immediately and will continue until further notice. Management and operation of the Sun Newspaper Group will be reorganized during this period.”
“As the days and weeks pass, there doesn’t seem to be much hope, if any, that it will revive itself,” says Doug Hodson, the Sun’s former director of operations.
Few ex-employees are waiting for that to happen. And Hodson, along with many others who spoke for this article, says that as long as McCotter is involved, he’s not interested. For the one consensus to emerge is this: while likable and confident, McCotter showed little skill with people — and even less for running a local newspaper.
He picked a bad time to try. 1990 was the industry’s second year of recession, with tumbling ad revenues prompting layoffs that stung top newsrooms around the nation for the first time in more than a decade.
The publishing experience was not McCotter’s first. He has had a longtime involvement with Great Commission Church, an organization that began as part of an evangelical movement that swept college campuses in the 1970s. Through that movement, McCotter has been involved with several Christian publications, says Larry Pile, a former church member who left the movement because he felt it had become too “authoritarian.”
It was as a church leader that McCotter formed a church subsidiary to purchase a Washington, D.C., radio station, says Pile. That station since has been sold to a company that also oversees radio programming for the Christian Broadcasting Network.
Radio also brought McCotter to Orlando with his purchase in late 1987 of Florida Radio Network, a statewide news supplier. Soon after, in February 1988, he set up shop in Florida under the name Profit Group Inc., and began to expand.
He moved first to boost his broadcast base in March 1988 by acquiring Tampa-based Sun Radio Network, a supplier of news and consumer programs. A partner of McCotter’s, Rogers Kirven, took over the network for about two months, but the deal collapsed in June when McCotter’s team backed out. The seller then filed suit, charging McCotter and Kirven with diverting assets to the Orlando network and failing to make payments on Sun Radio’s debts. In a countersuit, McCotter alleged the owner misrepresented the network’s finances. Both suits are pending.
About a year later, McCotter’s interest turned to print media. At one point, he apparently had talks with George Bailey, owner and publisher of the weekly West Orange Times. Subsequently, McCotter went off to start a competing newspaper — one to reflect his own conservative outlook.
Bailey won’t discuss it. “We decided long ago to peaceably coexist with our neighbors to the east,” he says, adding: “When folks are having trouble, I don’t want to engage in piling on.”
Meanwhile, McCotter’s evolving plan for his Sun newspapers began to attract managers with a rich knowledge of the area market.
His first hire was Hodson, a former manager of the Orange Shopper, a multi-zone giveaway publication that features advertising with almost no editorial content. (The Shopper has since been replaced by THE WEEKLY.)
Hodson helped lure Bill Clifton and Pat McGuffin to McCotter’s venture. Clifton, a former manager of the Winter Haven News Chief, became advertising manager. McGuffin, a former editor and publisher of the Apopka Chief, signed on as the Sun’s editor-in-chief, but in the four weeks between his first day and the Sun’s debut rose above Hodson to the posts of president and publisher.
Led by that team, a skeleton crew prepared the first four Sun papers, each focused on a west Orange community: Apopka, Windermere, Pine Hills and Winter Garden. They hit the front lawns on October 4, 1989.
Expansion came quickly. Two weeks later came four more papers covering the rest of Orange County; the first three of an eventual seven papers in Seminole County followed in November.
“Some of us were kind of dragging our feet, saying, ‘Hey, give us a chance and let us at least work on perfecting what we have,’ ” says Milt Sanderford, an early sports columnist and assistant to McGuffin. “There were some really embarrasing [sic] mistakes. You hated to see the paper come out.”
But those were early efforts, soon lost in the zealous grab for readers and advertisers; soon the Sun had 18 separate editions. Distribution followed municipal, political, school and shopping patterns. With such narrowly drawn markets, the plan was to offer retailers rates below those of the more widely circulated Orlando Sentinel.
Though the Sun sold in vending boxes for 50 cents, top managers — if not McCotter — knew they were producing a free paper. Subscriptions were voluntary, and throughout its brief life the Sun blanketed lawns at no cost to readers. “I didn’t care if we ever got any money out of it from a ‘paid’ standpoint,” says McGuffin. “We could still be highly successful whether we ever got any subscribers.”
Yet McCotter wanted the money. “He constantly urged and pushed and promoted us to sell subscriptions,” says Hodson. In final printings of about 166,000 copies, that effort produced “probably no more than 5,000 paid.”
Then, in July, the Sentinel unveiled revamped local sections in Orange, Seminole and Volusia counties that represented more reporters, new zones and lower ad rates. Steve Vaughn, the Sentinel’s executive editor, portrayed the changes this week as “part of an ongoing effort,” rather than a direct counter.
But it played straight into McCotter’s image of the Sun as underdog David in the biblical mismatch with Goliath, a crusading image that became familiar to Sun readers.
That crusade peaked July 12 with a Sun cover story, titled “Newspaper War,” that advanced the Sun as an “alternative voice,” scoffed at the Sentinel’s plans and wrongly reported as a conviction the outcome of an early ’80s anti-trust suit that forced the Sentinel to sell five weeklies it had acquired in Osceola County. (The suit was settled out of court). No one from the Sentinel was quoted. An accompanying editorial reprised frequent blasts in the Sun accusing the daily of “extremely liberal and biased reporting.”
The timing of the Sentinel effort let McCotter crow, in the Orlando Business Journal, that “we’re having an impact.” But that same report also set him off by quoting Fred Fedler, chairman of the UCF journalism department, who criticized the Sun’s quality and content after eight months as “a bunch of fluff” — a view Fedler held to the end.
He concluded at the time, “I don’t think they deserve to survive.”
“They do not deserve to survive!” screamed the next Sun editorial, comparing Fedler to the “inhumane Nazi fascists of World War II,” finally tagging the professor as “somebody who doesn’t have the same values as the local Sun newspaper — God, family and America.”
“Obviously (McCotter) was very conservative and felt that our editorials should reflect a very conservative viewpoint,” says Bill Bradford, formerly the Sun’s managing editor.
To Hodson, who sees McCotter’s influence as “fundamentalist,” the dictate went further. “There were a lot of opportunities the Sun had to cover things that could have been controversial — a bit more exciting reading, so to speak — but it took the conservative route.” He cites for example “lots of coverage” of the Greater Orlando Coalition Against Pornography.
“They were very even-handed,” says Calvie Hughson, executive director of the two-year-old coalition. And the Sentinel? “Less objective and a little slanted in the opposite direction, mainly in their wording that we are a ‘fundamentalist’ group, which basically we felt was really trying to paint us as a religious organization… when we are not.” (A month after the Sun’s last edition, Hughson was unaware of its demise.)
While the moral crusade at times was obvious, it was not ubiquitous. “I never got any interference,” says Bradford. “Actually, we often were right down the middle.”
The Sun filled its pages with items from schools, libraries and town halls. Cover stories showed McCotter’s emphasis on potentially helpful movers-and-shakers over issues, with profiles of men such as Amway President Richard DeVos, supermarket king Jim Gooding and Winter Park hotelier Robert Langford. A Father’s Day cover featured Orlando Magic general manager Pat Williams with his family; a May cover displayed faces of high school valedictorians.
Opposing sides clashed in a point-counterpoint feature that let readers participate with a phone poll (a debate on whether to let religious clubs meet on high school campuses brought the most calls; 83 percent said “yes”) that “gave us credibility with both sides,” said Bradford. And there was news, sometimes with impact, as when a report on a dangerous Rouse Road intersection helped speed the state’s decision to install a traffic light.
That it was all packaged with church socials and school dinners didn’t hurt. “Those were some of the things that the Sentinel wasn’t giving readers, and that they liked us for,” says Bradford.
In March, McCotter sold Florida Radio Network to the firm that had purchased his D.C. radio station. In June, he pumped up the Sun’s paid subscriber base by about 3,400 by buying and absorbing the seven-month-old Outlook weeklies in Oviedo, Winter Park and Winter Springs. That month, the Sun also formed 18 editorial advisory boards comprising educators, politicians, business leaders and housewives to have an impact on each paper. The boards would be abandoned in August with the paper’s first cutbacks.
McCotter used his power of veto sparingly. But his mandates — in or out — ruled, as when he decided to devote the business page to comments by social scientist George Gilder, to run in five parts, the first of which credited U.S. technological advances in part to the nation’s moral and religious underpinnings.
“It was ridiculous editorial garbage,” says former regional editor Jayme Kreitman. “In my newspapers in Seminole County, I conveniently forgot to put in the first part. I got in trouble for it.” She corrected her error, but the Sun’s abrupt halt cut the series short.
It apparently was at a Christian breakfast that McCotter met Paul Broadhead, the Meridian, Miss., real estate developer and investor who nearly came to the Sun’s rescue. Though Broadhead had no previous publishing interests, he formed a subsidiary, General Media, in August, and directed a Maryland-based broker to investigate the purchase of Sun Newspaper Group.
“People were encouraged, because they felt we were going to be owned by somebody bigger, with more money,” says Joe Hoeddinghaus, then the Seminole editor. “That’s not a negative on Jim McCotter. Most people just felt it was a good move. I mean, we all knew there was great potential.”
Among some staff, there was also an implied urgency, for the Sun already had laid off 12 employees in production. A day after those firings, a window at McCotter’s Profit Group office had been shattered. “That kind of had Jim nervous,” recalled a Sun manager. “So anytime subsequently we had a cutback, he hired security guards.”
In Orlando, General Media agent Dick Smith talked big. The new owners wanted to go twice a week. And the Sun, then printed out-of-town, would have its own press, maybe by Christmas. People began scouting real estate to replace the Ocoee office with one more centrally located.
“They had literally moved in and taken over,” says the manager, who recalls a meeting Smith had at that point with top management. “He really laid into McCotter, saying ‘I’m amazed this deal went through. This guy was so greedy.’ ”
McCotter, too, was preparing for the transfer. At Profit Group, where the Sun’s accounting staff worked, “he literally had people pulling the computers out of the wall and putting them on the lawn,” says the manager. “He’d sold these people. They weren’t a part of him any more. He wanted them to get the hell out of his office.” Removed to the Ocoee office, the accounting staff “never forgave him.”
At the same time, ad salespeople had orders to run down as many outstanding bills as they could in the final days before the sale was to close — with up to a 25 percent discount for immediate payment.
“When Smith and General Media found out about this, they hit the roof,” says the manager. In a private conversation, Smith told him: “I can’t see us doing business with this guy. He’s so unethical.”
Though General Media was listed in September 6 editions as the new owner, the sale never went through.
Weeks passed before the fallout hit. About 30 employees were laid off — the result of a 30 percent reduction order. Keys were collected, and locks changed. McCotter himself named several of those to go, dismaying those who disagreed with his choices. “It sounds funny to say you’re president of the company and didn’t have any authority,” says McGuffin of his role, “but that’s how it worked at that point.”
The highest-paid officers were out. Then-managing editor Bob Nolte was replaced by Bob Bradford, who at the time was the Orlando editor. Seminole editor Hoeddinghaus was laid off but returned as a salesman; his duties fell to Kreitman, a copy editor who received no pay raise for the added work. The Seminole reporting staff, which had to fill seven different papers, shrank from six to four, and then to three.
McGuffin was stripped of his publisher’s title, which fell to Clifton, and transferred to Profit Group to seek investors for the paper. None could be found. Sun managers who remained were handed drastic salary cuts — in Hodson’s case, $10,000. In October the Clermont paper, the sole Lake County edition, was dropped. In November, the Seminole office was closed.
Hoeddighaus [sic] prayed for a sale. “When you’re small and in trouble,” he says, “how else can you bail out?”
Kreitman, frazzled, stayed because “I loved it. Pay is secondary to a lot of things,” she says. “That’s what hurts the most. You really work hard for something, and then it’s taken away.”
It almost wasn’t. Perhaps sensing a better deal in McCotter’s desperation, Smith returned. Two days before the end, word filtered to the staff that Smith was in town and “people started getting excited,” says Sanderford.
On that day, editors signed off on the December 20 edition, but it never reached the press. Neither of the two printers would accept the job until they were paid for two previous weeks’ work, says Hodson. “It wasn’t anything that (McCotter) could come up with.”
When the paper didn’t appear that Thursday, the dread increased, until Clifton read the announcement to the assembled Ocoee staff at day’s end. Smith, with no agreement in hand, hopped a plane out of Orlando the same day.
McCotter was obvious in his absence when the notice was read. Hodson, the director of operations, had just 15 minutes warning. Bradford, the managing editor, learned the news from a reporter who called him at home. “At that point,” Hodson says, “locksmiths were on hand.”
Maybe McCotter underestimated the high cost of gathering local news. Maybe he miscalculated the risk. Maybe he pushed expansion too quickly, racing ahead of a billing system that couldn’t catch up. Maybe his sale requirements overvalued the product. He won’t say.
But if, as promised, a newspaper is still to emerge from the wreckage, any potential buyer would acquire only equipment. McCotter’s Sun team has scattered.
Some even miss him.
“I like Jim McCotter,” says one. “And that sounds crazy, ’cause I also see him as devious and unethical and a money-grabber. And yet he’s a very likable guy. You go figure it out.”
Maverick’s chief test pilot Jack Reid was killed in the plane January 24th, 2003. The gear wouldn’t come down. He did several fly bys of Melbourne International Airport after the stuck gear. For some reason, he crashed in the woods on airport property.
I am a reporter who covered the story at the time.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/maverick-solo-jet-fastest-personal-flyer-plus-jets-we-love-219075.php
I’m going to volunteer to be the fool that asks the naive question:
“Is this a bad deed of McCotter’s – or is this an unfortunate event that happened within his company? Was McCotter specifically responsible in some way?”
I’m just struggling, after reading your article, the one “st. John” posted, and the Rick Ross one, to see how it was McCotter’s fault. I’m asking this in all sincerity – am I missing something here? In what way is McCotter connected beyond his ownership of the company and the losses that he faced as a result?
Call it a hunch – but I sense a storm of incoming material to this thread in the next 72 hours.
Why do you say that, Nate?
I had heard some rumors and was anticipating more drama coming out of a particular situation. Apparently Jim and Roland handle drama remarkably well.
Below the double line is Jim’s bio from Maverick Jets. IN ALL CAPS, we have inserted comments and questions relating to Jim’s bio. Can you help us find the truth about this guy? He seems to write whatever he wants about his historical deeds. Here is the link to his bio too: http://www.maverickjets.com/team/
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Jim McCotter has been an innovator in many entrepreneurial ventures while at the same time donating much of his time and wealth to many Christian charitable endeavors.
1) WHAT “CHRISTIAN CHARITABLE ENDEAVORS”?
2) WHAT “WEALTH” HAS JIM DONATED?
In his entrepreneurial life he has founded many firsts in the business world. In the early 70’s, not long out of college, he founded the nation’s first full color newspaper and then went on for a short time to found what was probably the first national newspaper. In his young learning years and with no financial backing, he was able to establish the national newspaper in 140 markets. However, in his young age then he did not have the sustainability as the mega media Gannett Newspaper chain did when they soon followed with their USA Today, imitating much of what McCotter had proven could be successful as a national paper.
1) JIM SAYS IN THE EARLY 70’S HE FOUNDED THE NATION’S FIRST FULL COLOR NEWSPAPER. WAS THAT DURING GREAT COMMISSION?
2) “NOT LONG OUT OF COLLEGE”…DID JIM GRADUATE FROM COLLEGE?
3) “IN HIS YOUNG LEARNING YEARS AND WITH NO FINANCIAL BACKING, HE WAS ABLE TO ESTABLISH THE NATIONAL NEWSPAPER IN 140 MARKETS.” WHAT YEAR WAS THIS? WHEN DID HE INHERIT MONEY FROM HIS FATHER?
4) “HOWEVER, IN HIS YOUNG AGE THEN HE DID NOT HAVE THE SUSTAINABILITY AS THE MEGA MEDIA GANNETT NEWSPAPER CHAIN DID WHEN THEY SOON FOLLOWED WITH THEIR USA TODAY…”. SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A LOT OF SIMILARITIES WITH JIM BOTH INSIDE THE GREAT COMMISSION CHURCH AND OUTSIDE THE GREAT COMMISSION CHURCH.
McCotter later got into radio broadcasting and at the time had the only news/talk radio station in the Washington D.C. area. He then pioneered a first in radio with a unique radio program/advertising structure and a talent/client advertising combination to dramatically decrease cost and increase revenue. He went on to buy other radio stations and networks, later purchasing the Florida Radio Network. He doubled its size within 2 years, providing all the Florida state news for every radio station in Florida. Thereafter he formed the largest independent newspaper chain in Florida with 18 weekly newspapers.
1) “…TO DRAMATICALLY DECREASE COST AND INCREASE REVENUE.” JIM HAS PROVED OVER AND OVER THAT HE CAN DRAMATICALLY DECREASE COSTS BY ELIMINATING EMPLOYEES ON STAFF AND NOT GIVING THEM THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO PERFORM THEIR JOBS. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE EVIDENCE THAT HE INCREASED REVENUE WITH HIS UNIQUE RADIO PROGRAM/ADVERTISING STRUCTURE AND A TALENT/CLIENT ADVERTISING COMBINATION.
2) WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM ANYONE WHO IS AWARE OF “ANY” BUSINESS JIM HAS EVER HAD THAT HAS ACTUALLY OPERATED AT A PROFIT. ALL EVIDENCE POINTS TO EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS HE HAS HAD ALWAYS OPERATED AT A LOSS.
McCotter also went on to be innovative in television broadcasting as well. He piloted the first news/talk format in the United States for local television broadcasting. He developed the world’s first total media conglomerate owning and operating every type of media outlet there is all in the same major market in New Zealand, which can not be done in the United States because of FCC rules. Ultimately he had more than one TV and radio stations, newspapers, magazine, billboards and internet publications, all in the same city.
McCotter has also been involved in other business as real estate, construction and development. He has acquired and developed all the resorts on top of the south half of the Big Horn Mountain Range in Wyoming, including the only ski resort in northern Wyoming.
However, of all McCotter’s endeavors he seems most excited about his place in the jet world. For almost a decade he has been relentless in accomplishing more first’s but this time in the jet world. His Maverick Jets company still has the same engineers that first designed the world’s first modern day personal jet, that went on to fly and be sold to customers in the United States and around the world. They were so ahead of their time that their engineers even had to improvise in redesigning a light weight low thrust engine for these first personal jets, called the LEADERS.
Now with Maverick Jets “2nd Generation Personal Jets”, McCotter wonders if “We might begin do today with inexpensive and easy flying jets somewhat like Henry Ford did with cars a hundred years ago. No one then believed all that would happen.” Maverick Jets has already made history with its LEADERS and now it is working again, but this time to make the fastest personal jet on the one hand and the most affordable personal jet on the other.
McCotter is excited to be producing a jet that most anyone can now afford. Maverick Jets SmartJet, being the very lowest price of any personal jet, coupled with Maverick’s financing package, now makes it possible for most anyone to be able to afford a new Maverick! As McCotter says, “The world is about to change.” And, he is excited that Maverick is able to make it happen now for anyone that wants to own their own personal jet, whether they fly it themselves or have their own personal pilot.
1) “…A JET THAT MOST ANYONE CAN NOW AFFORD.” DO WE REALLY HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS COMMENT JIM HAS MADE?
2) NO JIM, WE DOUBT THAT YOU REALLY BELONG IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS HENRY FORD.
Didn’t the article about the China deal say the planes would be in the $750,000 – $1.25mil. range?
1.25 million is about 35 years income for me. 🙂
http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav.cfm?ContentBlockID=7FE9EFD1-A1E8-4A46-85CD-D000AFCE133A&Dynamic=1
this blog seems to consist of innuendos, secondhand experiences, and an almost morbid, conspiratorial passion for something that has yet to be proved in my mind…
does anyone here have direct, firsthand experience with mccotter?..and if so, would you post exactly what that experience was – negative or otherwise?
this website has made clear what it’s purpose is and that purpose is based on the premise that mccotter conducts himself in an evil, unchrist-like manner…
what is being entertained here is character assasination, pure and simple, and without proof that any reasonable person would demand
i would like to know of the people who are posting here, how is your walk with God?…are you obeying Him?..are you living a godly life?…that is a rhetorical question..i am neither asking for or suggesting a response…
i’m not taking sides…i knew mccotter years ago but haven’t a clue what has become of him or his family in the past 20 years…i do, however, require more proof than some anonymous posts of disgruntled employees or of a few Christian associates who have a personal agenda…
as for larry pile, i am familiar with his break from gca and there is definitely more to it than what he claims…
without_guile,
I agree that there is very little substance to this blog at this point. Especially the recently posted links of the Indian and Chinese potential branches of MJ and the fatal crash in 2003. None of those seem to explicitly implicate McCotter in any way.
I do know (secondhand 🙂 ) one of the people who got this blog going, and that person has extensive personal knowledge of McCotter, and seemed to have a desire to “compare notes” with others via the web.
If this website is Character Assassination, at this point it’s sloppy and unsuccessful in my mind at this point. Time will tell if something more concrete ever shows up.
without_guile:
Thank you for posting. We concede that we know more about Jim McCotter in his post GC years rather than when he was in GC. Maybe you can help fill in the gaps on those early years.
There seems to be a lady on the De-Commissioned blog site who has a GOLDMINE of information relating to Jim McCotter over the last 10 years or so…claiming first hand experience. We would like to get her over here to post some of those first hand experiences.
How about you?
1) How did you find this site? Were you looking for info on Jim?
2) Can you identify yourself too?
3) Oh, I assure you we are not here for character assassination. We KNOW Jim and don’t want anyone else to get run over by him. Jim is more than welcome to come on here and explain himself. In fact, we would LOVE for him to do so. Do you have a way to contact him to tell him about this blog?
without_guile:
Are there particular portions of any content on this blog which you would like more proof? If you identify those, we can help locate the first hand experience if it is not already posted. We are just getting started here.
i actually came back here to express an apology for being too blunt in my earlier post…and though i do apologize, i appreciate that those who have read and responded to it have done so with an open heart…i thank you…
it is not my intention to be a part of this blog by maintaining an active presence here…i came upon it quite by accident (smile – accident?)…i was searching wikipedia for some information on a totally unrelated subject and happened upon the gca ministries…though i was not familiar with the name, the first sentence brought back a flood of memories and i quickly discovered that i had hit pay dirt, so to speak….a hyperlink brought me here to browse most of the threads included on this blog…
i’ll not specifically identify myself, except to say that my tenue within the various works that were established so many years ago lasted from the early 70s (lawrence, kansas) through the mid 80s (before mccotter left)…i did not hold a formal place of leadership but was intimately (more or less) familiar with most of the leadership that were in place throughout the states…
i have not been in contact with jim mccotter since 1984(ish) and, until 2 days ago, assumed that he had retained his position of influence among the brethren…what i know of his whereabouts is probably less than you know, and the only way in which i could contemplate reaching him would be through his maverick jet site…
i once gave each of my students a picture of munch’s ‘the scream’ and asked them to write what they saw and what they felt…needless to say, 50 students gave 50 responses…so it is with the impressions we get of men and women…and here is mine of jim mccotter
i never knew jim mccotter’s heart…but what i heard and what i saw convinced me then (and even now) that this was a man who had a heart for God, the likes of which i had rarely seen…and among that elite group of men who appeared to give God their whole heart, jim stood out as having the charisma and innate leadership skills to break out of the desert and into fertile soil…in some ways, i would liken him to george patton…demanding, devoted, skilled, and strong-willed…he was not always sensitive in his words or actions and he was definitely authoritarian in his demeanor…but he was a visionary who had this immeasurable capacity to trust God…those of us around him, even those with pure hearts, could sometimes only smile, submit, and then watch God come through time and time again when jim got us in one predicament after another (i say that facetiously)
i don’t know you who post here…i don’t know what your ears have heard or what your eyes have seen over the years…but can you imagine going into city after city, sometimes not knowing where you would sleep or what you would eat (and even worse, with family in tow), trusting God for everything from bread to bed to accomplishing a mission that would make most believers cringe, all for the sake of reaching out with the gospel to those who would typically assail you with insults?…day after day, week after week, month after month, and year after year, this is how we lived…well, ok…maybe i’m being a little dramatic…but it was all about trusting God and laying our basic physical needs at His feet…and this we did, with mccotter leading us on…
i admired jim mccotter, respected his determination, and was amazed at the depth of his faith…
you ask about good things he did prior to his leaving gca…would witnessing the salvation of thousands of people from his preaching qualify?…would the wisdom and understanding that he imparted to dozens upon dozens of men and women through his knowledge of the Scriptures justify the term ‘good deeds’?…and what of the dozens of works that he started and watered over the years?…i doubt if i could fathom all the good he has done in the service of the Lord…
that is not to say that he was perfect or that he did not make mistakes…he did…and others followed suit….but we must view these in light of the times, in light of the pressures, and in light of a heart that sometimes overlooked the fact that a painting consists of a myriad of brushstrokes…which of us has not caused some hurt in our lives?…that is what forgvieness is for..
i recall believers who were put out of fellowship during my 10+ year tenure…when this occured, it was not done in the darkness or in secret places…it involved consultation among leaders of other works and was well known, so infrequent were the occurances…i have heard it said here that the number was around 500…actually, i would be surprised that there were more than 50 and shocked if there were more than 100…
however, that does not mean that there were not those who voluntarily left disgruntled and dejected, those who left with a chip on their shoulder, those who thought that they were qualified for a position of leadership and were not chosen, those who were involved in some sin that they would not give up (adultery, lying, or some other immorality) and left because their continued presence risked exposure of these sins…i am aware that there were a great many who left for such reasons…
some who left, crying foul and cult, did so because they did not get their way – their suggestions, which seeemd so clear to themselves, did not produce the change they desired and so they left….
and then there were those who knew what was right and did not do it…can you imagine being shown a truth from God and then refusing to go through with it, even though you saw others doing just that, day in and day out?…think of the sacrifice?..think of the surrender of will and of heart – of life itself (as it was desired)?…it is much easier (though really not easier) to claim ‘cult’ then to admit that one has seen the truth and would not obey it…i am referring to something very personal, something between an individual and God…remember, for the one who knows what is right and does not do it, for that person such an act is sin…
that was a real problem within these works…God was so active and so real that engaging truth with daily life became something with which to struggle day in and day out…
so i would caution you to be careful to whom you listen and to whom you place your confidence (including myself) for an accounting of these early years…some are merely spending a lifetime justifying their disobedience in their own heart or trying to bypass forgiveness as a way out of a personal hell…
i have to wonder of the source of this immense vituperation against jim mccotter…what did he personally do or what edict did he propagate that earned him worthy the title of ‘most evil man’ or ‘cult leader’ (comments i have read elsewhere on this blog)?…because he was demanding of your time and efforts that you took this as legalism?…because women were expected to wear their hair long or cover their heads?…because he set the bar too high?…please state specifically what he did or said that you should speak so poorly of him….otherwise, give him the benefit of the doubt and do not entertain such poorly substantiated rumors and innuendos against the man…and please, do not take the word (unsubstantiated criticism) of others who you do not know…
now there is something about which you must wonder after reading all that i have written, namely, why did i leave?…so let me explain to you, as i explained to them….
i felt the fellowship had become a numbers endeavor…it was always about how many were at a teaching, how many were at the sunday service, how many we saw in our evangelism, how many with whom we shared the gospel, how many we saw saved, how many, how many, how many…this concept was fostered by the book ‘evangelism explosion’ (d. kennedy) and by other books on secular selling that taught marketing skills and the numbers that should result…these were well intentioned endeavors but left a hole in my sense of accomplishment and i did not feel it was the best use of my time…naturally, we disagreed
additionally, i was not living like an adult…i had a low level job that barely met my needs and which i did not enjoy…i had not finished college…neither employment or education were considered important to them…in fact, i can recall brothers who would mark off on a calender the days in which they would need to work at manpower to meet their monthly needs – and that is all they would work! (lol)…i felt that being a good testimony included being educated,having a good job, and having the money to be generous…we disagreed at the time…i think they have changed their perspective
finally, as i matured as an adult, i began to see the immaturity in the leadership…i am not saying that their hearts were wrong, but rather that they lacked the skills to effectively lead…and with this, i encountered a constant onslaught of unbelievably bad judgment…
i’ll give you an example of this that i came across just this morning as i was bouncing around gca sites…go to this address…
http://www.notourhome.com/biang/archives/godministrychurch/
the quote which is made by an elder of a chicago area gca church says that ‘violence is the Key to Christian Growth’
what an extraordinarily foolish thing to say at a time when the word ‘cult’ is being tossed around…now i think (and i hope) i know what he means..but others may not and it’s like standing a pane glass window upright in a baseball infield….such poor judgment is an example of the sort of thing that caused me to move on..they do not seem to have much empathy with the way the world thinks…and also, i felt that they were sometimes to proud to admit that they were wrong…in any case, i needed mature leadership in my life…
when i left, it was said of me that i had lost my faith, that i had given up the fight, that i had deserted God..the truth is that i began attending a southern baptist church and have ever since….it works for me and holds true to the core beliefs of Christianity…
they pressured me, to be sure…sometimes this caused me a great deal of discomfort…and i also felt manipulated at times, without knowing it…when i left, i left with some scars…but my forgiveness of them healed me…
i do not harbor ill feelings toward jim and any of these fellows…not at all..it certainly does not mean that i consider them to be a cult in any remote definition of the word…and i take great exception to the motives and intelligence of those who would try to construe such a negative implication to the gca (either in it’s past or present form)..it just isn’t true…
what has become of jim in the last 20 years?..i do not know…from what i have read, he seems to have taken up a different agenda…but i really don’t know all the facts…and not really knowing the facts, i don’t think it is my role (hint) to take up the flag of people who i do not know and whose intentions i cannot fathom…such an act is libelous, if only in principle…
do you recall in genesis after jacob had died, joseph’s brothers were afraid that he might exact revenge agianst them for their attempt to take his life so many years earlier?…joseph said to them that although they meant it for evil, God meant it for good…meaning, God permits tragedy in our lives in order to accomplish some good..
and so, if jim or the gca has inflicted some hardship upon you, recognize that God permitted it and that he does not burden you beyond your capabilities…and let the healing begin and/or continue
best wishes
“what an extraordinarily foolish thing to say at a time when the word ‘cult’ is being tossed around…now i think (and i hope) i know what he means..but others may not and it’s like standing a pane glass window upright in a baseball infield….such poor judgment is an example of the sort of thing that caused me to move on..they do not seem to have much empathy with the way the world thinks…and also, i felt that they were sometimes to proud to admit that they were wrong…in any case, i needed mature leadership in my life…” -Gile
For what it’s worth, that blog is by my teenage cousin who’s passion, among other things, is taking his dad’s words out of context to make light of him. I am sure his put little or no thought into that post. I also think think this is in any way indicative of GCx churches current theology. Also to hold GCx accountable leadership for what all it’s members blogs seems silly. Can’t a church member of GCx have an independent thought? Wouldn’t GCx have to revert back to cultish ways of monitoring all information that is public to not allow silly things to be publish online? I know they don’t do this nor should they!
For what it’s worth, that blog is by my teenage cousin
IT DOESN’T MATTER AT ALL. WHY WOULD IT?
who’s passion, among other things, is taking his dad’s words out of context to make light of him.
OK, SO HIS DAD DID SAY THAT AFTERALL???? LOOK, YOU ARE THE ONE TAKING THE QUOTE OUT OF CONTEXT. HE WAS NOT MAKING LIGHT OF IT. IT WAS LISTED UNDER THE HEADING, ‘BEST QUOTE OF THE DAY’.
I am sure his put little or no thought into that post.
THAT’S NOT THE POINT. I’M TRYING TO FIGURE WHAT WAS MEANT BY THE WORD ‘VIOLENCE’. GCx DOES NOT HAVE A GREAT TRACK RECORD IN ADMITTING MISTAKES AND YOU SEEM TO CONTINUE THAT TRADITION. SO IF YOU KNOW, PLEASE EXPLAIN IT.
I also think think this is in any way indicative of GCx churches current theology.
WHAT???? ‘CURRENT THEOLOGY’? WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? THAT AT ONE POINT IN TIME IT WAS? ARE YOU SAYING THAT VIOLENCE ‘WAS’ IN SOME WAY CONSIDERED CONDUCIVE TO CHRISTIAN GROWTH? I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO, UNLESS YOU ARE SPEAKING OF SOME SORT OF CHILD DISCIPLINE. AND I SAW PLENTY OF THAT WHEN I WAS AT LINWORTH. SOME OF IT WAS BORDERLINE ABUSE.
Also to hold GCx accountable leadership for what all it’s members blogs seems silly.
EXCUSE ME? YOU JUST ADMITTED THAT THE PASTOR OF GLEN ARBOR SAID THAT VIOLENCE IS THE KEY TO CHRISTIAN GROWTH. MAYBE WHAT IS SILLY IS THAT IT WAS SAID ORIGINALLY, THAT IT WAS REPEATED IN A BLOG, AND THAT IT IS ADMITTED BY YOU.
Can’t a church member of GCx have an independent thought?
OF COURSE. THINK WHAT YOU LIKE. YOU ARE NOT ACCOUNTABLE TO ANYONE BUT GOD FOR YOUR THOUGHTS. BUT THIS WAS NOT A MERE THOUGHT, WAS IT? OR DO YOU THINK THAT ANYTHING PLACED ON THE INTERNET IS EXCUSED FROM ACCOUNTABILITY?
Wouldn’t GCx have to revert back to cultish ways of monitoring all information that is public to not allow silly things to be publish online?
WHEW! DID YOU JUST ADMIT THAT GCx HAS A HISTORY OF ‘CULTISH WAYS’? DID GCx MONITOR IT’S MEMBERS’ ONLINE ACTIVITY?
I know they don’t do this nor should they!
SO WHEN DID THEY STOP DOING THIS??????
I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO BE OPEN ABOUT GCx, AS WELL AS TO ADMIT PAST PRACTICES THAT WERE ‘CULTISH’. I’D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THOSE ‘CULTISH WAYS’ THAT ONCE EXISTED. IN FACT, I THINK A GOOD MANY OF US WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT AND WHAT JIM MCCOTTER HAD TO DO WITH IT. I THINK MOST OF US DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE ABOUT HIM.
BTW, I USED CAPS TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN YOUR COMMENTS AND MY OWN.
anonymous,
I think you might be viewing Dan’s comment and the quote in question through a lens that is unrealistic. Would you be open to the idea that there is context that needs to be taken into account here, or have you made all your decisions about GC and it’s members, and simply twist everything to reinforce those thoughts?
I know Chris Biang personally. I’ve spent the night at his house, know his kids, and see his son, Mike on a regular basis. We’re the same age. Anyone that knows Chris personally knows that he’s constantly making jokes. I can say with 100% certainty that Chris does not believe that violence accomplishes anything positive for the sake of the gospel.
One might say that it was a reckless joke and that the recklessness was exasperated by the fact that it was put on the internet. I would respond with the thought: “It was just a joke. If you don’t like it, don’t laugh.” Clearly you’re not laughing. Making any other judgements about Chris would require alot more context, and also viewing things through a much more clear lens.
OH BROTHER! YEAH, BLAME ME FOR TAKING A GCx ELDER AT HIS WORD AND BELIEIVNG WHAT HE SAYS.
I think you might be viewing Dan’s comment and the quote in question through a lens that is unrealistic. Would you be open to the idea that there is context that needs to be taken into account here, or have you made all your decisions about GC and it’s members, and simply twist everything to reinforce those thoughts?
THE QUOTE DIDN’T ORIGINATE WITH ME. I DIDN’T POST IT ON A BLOG FOR ANY AND EVERYONE TO VIEW. AND I DIDN’T THEN DEFEND IT BY SAYING THAT IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT OR THAT IT WAS JUST A JOKE.
I GET THE SENSE THAT YOU’RE CLOSING RANKS. ALL YOU DO IS PROVE THE POINT THAT PEOPLE WITHIN THE GCx CANNOT ADMIT A MISTAKE – IF THAT IS WHAT IT IS. AND YOU ARE PULLING THE OLD TACT THAT A GOOD DEFENSE IS A GOOD OFFENSE BY THEN ATTACKING ME, CLAIMING I AM TWISTING ‘EVERYTHING’. I RESPONDED TO EACH POINT IN A LOGICAL ORDER, AS I AM DOING WITH YOU.
I know Chris Biang personally. I’ve spent the night at his house, know his kids, and see his son, Mike on a regular basis. We’re the same age. Anyone that knows Chris personally knows that he’s constantly making jokes. I can say with 100% certainty that Chris does not believe that violence accomplishes anything positive for the sake of the gospel.
FIRST OFF, I COULD CARE LESS IF YOU KNOW CHRIS BIANG OR NOT. NOR DO I CARE IF YOU KNOW HIS SON. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. YOU ARE CUT FROM THE SAME CLOTH AS BOTH OF THEM, COMING FROM GCx. SECONDLY, I CERTAINLY EXPECT YOU TO SUPPORT THEM. OBVIOUSLY, VOUCHING FOR THEM MEANS NOTHING BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW YOU EITHER. AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU SAY, THE QUOTE REMAINS AND ALL YOU DO IS EXCUSE IT AND DEFEND HIM.
One might say that it was a reckless joke and that the recklessness was exasperated by the fact that it was put on the internet. I would respond with the thought: “It was just a joke. If you don’t like it, don’t laugh.” Clearly you’re not laughing. Making any other judgements about Chris would require alot more context, and also viewing things through a much more clear lens.
YOU JUST KEEP DIGGING YOURSELF IN DEEPER AND DEEPER. THERE IS ALSOLUTELY NO CONTEXUAL REASON TO ASSUME IT WAS A JOKE AND ANY REASONABLE PERSON WOULD QUESTION JUST WHAT IN THE HECK HE WAS IMPLYING BY SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE VERY BEST THAT CAN BE SAID IS THAT IT IS RECKLESS. AND THE WORST? HMMMMM. WELL, THAT’S OBVIOUS FROM THE QUOTE.
YOUR RESPONSE (AS WELL AS DAN’S) IS VERY REVEALING. HAVING BROWSED AND POSTED ON THIS SITE OCCASIONALLY OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS, I HAVE TO WONDER WHY THE GCx MAINTAINS SUCH AN OBVIOUS PRESENCE ON A SITE THAT CLEARLY VIEWS IT AS ABUSIVE AND POSSIBLY A CULT. HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO BEAR THE SCARS OF YEARS OF ABUSE FROM THE GCx ORGANIZATION COME TO YOUR CHURCHES WITH AN OBVIOUS ANTI-GCx AGENDA?
EVERY ENCOUNTER I HAVE WITH YOU PEOPLE LEAVES A SOUR TASTE IN MY MOUTH. IT’S THE TASTE OF YOUR PRIDE AND DISHONESTY.
ACTUALLY, THIS IS LAUGHABLE. I WOULD HAVE NEVER PURSUED THIS HAD THE TWO OF YOU NOT TRIED TO DEFEND WHAT IS INDEFENSIBLE. IT APPEARS THAT HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF. AND YOU ADD ANOTHER BRICK TO TE THEORY THAT THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH GCx CHURCHES AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MEMBERS OF THEM.
Click on my name if you want to get to know me better. It’ll take you to my blog. My comment might make more sense after you see what kind of a guy I am. I don’t want to fight this out point-by-point. It wouldn’t be edifying to either of us.
LOL. anonymous, your post is quite impressive especially with the all caps feature–to me it seems like you where yelling the entire time. =) (I JUST TRIED YELLING YOUR POST AND RAN OUT OF WIND QUICKLY)
I’m unsure if you would like me to respond or if you are venting. If you are venting it’s cool. If you would like me to respond let me know..I know .my last post was poorly written, perhaps it caused some confusion?
Anyway, I sincerely say to you God Bless! I hope you are somewhere warm, because it’s FREAKING COLD HERE!!
Dan, I recall you as a child in East Lansing. At that time it was just you and your brother, Jonathan. I would never have thought that you would have grown into a man who was so commonplace. Afterall, you had the advantages of a godly father and mother, as well as the support and friendship of a strong Christian fellowship. What happened to you that you would be so easily disposed to use the term ‘freaking’ – which is a replacement for another more vulgar word. I find it hard to believe that your father is proud of you.
nunno:
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I am too am survivor of the wrath of Jim McCotter. And I am grateful everyday for it was with the grace of god that got out fairly unscathed. He tried very hard in the end to break my spirit, but I believe that he is only as strong as the strength you give him. He preys on the weak, he lifts you up in the beginning, praises you, feeds your ego. But his path of merciless destruction says it all, in the end he takes what he wants and leaves empty promises, broken spirits and dreams .
Christian? Not in my book.. But I’m just your everyday midwestern born and bred Catholic, without much knowledge of other denominations, their beliefs and practices. To be perfectly honest, from the moment I met him, I thought he was Lucifer. The devil in the flesh. Today I believe it with conviction. Nobody with a conscience and a heart could do what he does to people and their lives and walk away with no regard and than run and hide like a coward when confronted.
I was the F&B/Operations Manager for Big Horn Mountain Resorts in Ten Sleep, wyoming from May 01, 2004 thru 12/30/04 and when the owners of left for a week long family vacation and never came back was when I started talking to Jim McCotter.
Let me say that I do not know to this day what their aggreement with McCotter was and what really happened between them and why they left the mountain. I have not had any contact with them what so ever.
But having had the privledge of living on top of a mountain with Jim McCotter and with his unending need for his ego to be fed, I can understand anyone running as far and as fast as they can from this egocentric self absorbed maniac.
If you are wondering where he may be, I would suggest looking at the top of the Big Horn Mountains. I am not certain..but I do periodically check up on the resort to see if he is gone yet?
I hope to go back once he is gone for good, with no possible ties that would allow him back. I am patient. As one person wrote here earlier his dealings or his conquest of the moment usually last about 5 years. I don’t think he can make 5 years up there. Time will tell.
Back to the longest 4 months I ever spent frozen in hell.
I was put in touch with Jim through a chain of events and people because of the situation I was left with at the resort. He informed me that he was then and had been for the past 7 years, the owner of Big Horn Mountain Resorts with shares of 99.5% and my now exemployer had less than .05% on a contingency. Blah Blah..
What he did do, was send us money immedietly to get us out of a huge financial bind we were left in. He did this more than once , but as he was 99.5 % owner I guess he didn’t have much choice. I didn’t care. I had money to make payroll and pay the fuel bill so we would have heat.
He sent his 2 accountants up to assess the damage and the employees
He immedietly had me to downsize to a skeleton crew. Which left 6 of us to run a 3 – location resort. Let me clarify, The ski Lodge was not open at this time and we closed Deer Haven temporarily, but all three locations had been neglected and all were in dire need of updating and repair. And there were 6 of us and no money and the forest service breathing down our backs even more than usual, and that was because of his previous lies and half truthes , and they were not happy to see him back up on that mountain to say the least.
He wanted all three lodges and the cabins and motels repaired,remodeled and ready to go by 12/01 and it was approx 10/15. I knew he was so full of crap from the very beginning it was almost humerous at times. Beckoning me like I was a dog or his personal slave person. He has a emense need to feel important.
I am proud to say that my crew came thru. They were awesome people each and everyone.
From the beginning he continually tested my loyalty when He had me fire my co-manager who in no way deserved to be fired, and had gone way beyond what most would ever do in the best situation let alone for this unappreciative ass.
I knew what McCotter was trying to do,
That was the day he started chipping away at the bond we had between us, the handful of us that emerged from the reckage together. Now we were questioning each other and motives.and people took sides.That was a good day for him..
His next win came one very cold winter afternoon he decided he and I were going on a impromtu inspection of the employee cabins. Which is a complete invasion of privacy and should not be done unless there is cause or question involving a employee. If I did not have keys to a cabin he broke in. He turned the heat off in every single cabin and even took the heaters out of some, going on how it was wasting money. It was well below zero for a high that day.
At that point he treated me like a queen on a pedestal that could do no wrong. I was his” best girl” is what he would say.
Less than I month later he had the local Sheriff there to remove myself and 2 other employee’s and gave us 4 hours to be off the property. I had my entire life there, a whole house full of belongings. And if we were not gone he was going to have us arrested. And the most ridiculous part was he owed me sevderal thousand dollars in back wages and gave me a check that afternoon for $350 and told me I was paid in full. We did make it off the mountain that night, with almost all of our stuff. I’m sure he thought that was the last he had heard of me. No such luck, i went and stayed at a friends not too far from the resort for the next month, which gave me the opportunity to contact everyone I needed to. The Labor Board, The IRS, The Liquor Commission, The Forest Service etc.
Less than 2 weeks later myself and one of the gentlemen also kicked off the mountain that day recieved checks from Jim McCotter totally just under $10,000.
The moral of my story…McCotter is just a man…He is only as strong as the power you give him and HE CAN BE BEAT!!!
I hope Jim McCotter gets everything he deserves in the this life and the when he meets his maker..That is when justice will be served.
Here’s another link to some things out on the internet about Jim McCotter.
http://www.cultintervention.com/reference/mccotter/mccotter2.html
I honestly have not thought about Jim McCotter for over 25 years. I was a member of the ISU Bible Study group (the name was later changed to Great Commission Church) and even worked at our little newspaper. Jim was gone much of the time, so we were left alone to put it all together most of the time. We worked, of course, for free. It was a tool to reach people with the gospel.
Jim was always somewhat long-winded and could certainly stretch the facts. (There were THOUSANDS – but really only hundreds).
Someone called me last night about a possible reunion of some of us – I was involved when there were only about 30 people. When I left, there really were hundreds. We were young and we really loved the Lord. I learned so much of the Scriptures. It sounds to me as if Jim has changed tremendously. I am not totally surprised, though. I can certainly relate to “without_guile.
I should have mentioned that I first came to ISU Bible Study in 1974 and left about 10 years later.
Some of you have been wounded in the past. So sorry. God bless you. I hope you are being healed. This truly is a message of enouragement for you. God will restore you. God alone. And He will do it.
Some of you make a living out of being wounded. I encourage you to surrender your will to God. You are fighting the air and only hurting yourself. I encourage you to fight the good fight of the faith. Find someone to share Christ with, find someone to disciple. Let God sort out this stuff.
Here is are a few good questions for us?
1- Are we driven by bitterness?
2- Are we laying up eternal rewards via winning souls?
3- Are we using our past hurts as an excuse to for present failures?
Moving Onwards:
Have you read this entire blog site? It is not about the past…it is about the future.
Do you know Jim McCotter?
Miss Current
Hi Miss Current. Does your name imply an interest in current affairs?
Not really, I just know of him. he is is not a personal friend.
It is just my concern that Christians don’t get stuck. Regardless of who is right or wrong. I have seen right causes be the demise of people when they are missing the bullseye of loving this world to Christ.
M.O.:
I have run across Jim McCotter some and know much about him. \
So you have NOT met Jim?
How do you feel about the people Jim will encounter in the future who will either lose their faith or never come to faith in Jesus Christ because of Jim’s actions and/or treatment of them?
You can also email me at miss.current@gmail.com for a private discusssion.
Miss Current
Jim McCotter does it AGAIN!!! When will this guy simply do what is right and quit messing with people’s lives?
Below is a link to the Northern Wyoming Daily News which featured an article on April 10, 2007 about Jim McCotter’s Wyoming Ski Resorts. Below the link is the first page of the article. If anyone can get their hands on the full article please post it here.
http://www.wyodaily.com/
RESORTS SHUT DOWN AFTER SEWAGE FOUND IN CREEK
Jilaena Childs, Staff Writer
TEN SLEEP — Big Horn National Forest closed the doors to Deerhaven, Meadowlark and Big Horn Ski Resorts Saturday because of raw sewage being dumped into Ten Sleep Creek.
Environmental Senior Analyst for the Wyoming Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ), Allen Nipple said, “I can confirm that we did receive a complaint. I can confirm that we conducted an inspection, which validated the complaint. The situation is under investigation for potential enforcement action.”
Nipple said the complaint alleges that raw sewage was reaching Ten Sleep Creek and that legal repercussions depend on the results of the investigation.
An order to shut down both Meadowlark and Deerhaven was made by Bighorn National Forest Supervisor Bill Bass, of Sheridan. The forest supervisor said the investigation is ongoing and includes Wyoming DEQ and Big Horn County health officials. No action was taken on the ski resort since it had already been closed for the season.
Jim McCotter, owner of the Bighorn Mountain Resort structures, does not own the land, however he is responsible for the buildings he operates on forest service land, according to Cindy Gradin, Law Enforcement Officer for the Bighorn National Forest.
McCotter was unavailable for comment Monday.
John Hagengruber, spokesman for the Bighorn National Forest said, “Our concern is that there may have been events that have taken place up there that could jeopardize health and public safety if there was, in fact, a spill. I haven’t been up there, but we did get reports of a spill that has occurred.”
A meeting was held Monday in Sheridan between the Bighorn National Forest Service and representatives from the DEQ. Hagengruber said that no conclusions were made in the meeting but the investigation is still ongoing.
Aaron Buttrick, who managed both lodges for a short time, said he was laid off by Bighorn Mountain Resorts Monday.
“They said that they have no more hours for me,” he said.
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Wouldn’t you think that a lawyer with 40 years experience would know that the term is spelled ‘General Counsel’?
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I am currently working on a petition to remove Jim McCotter from ownership of Big Horn Mountain Resorts. He has dumped sewage in the creeks, left employees stranded miles from their homes and knowingly let people stay in motels infested with a deadly black mold.
There are so many things he has done to hurt our small community in Wyoming. He is the current lease holder for Big Horn Mountain Resorts LLC or Inc.. I think they are trying to get out of the mess that they have made here.
Now, after reading this, I fear that when he leaves here he will only be headed somewhere else to ruin peoples lives. I wish us all luck.
Jilaena Childs
Former Employee
News Reporter
jilaena@hotmail.com
Please put McCotter in subject line
I actually heard through a little bird that McCotter was having sewage problems at big horn in Aug. 2006. I guess he never fixed the problem, only patched it. It shows he cares more about the size of his wallet than civic responsiblities.
if anyone really wants to screw mccotter in a big way… here is how its done. they are internet experts and know how to put sites on the internet fast. all you have to do is buy domain names like maverickjets-sucks.com, .net, .info.. whatever. if its not available, get maverickjets-cheats.com, .net.. you get the point? you can name it anyway you want as long as maverick jets is in the domain. then place these sites on the web with your story on how this so-called christian man screwed you. then send the link to every company in the aviation industry. soon.. everyone will know the snake that is mccotter and doors will close on him left and right. lets bury this guy in ripoffreport.com
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I am one of the former Chefs of Bighorn Resort. I can tell yo utaht the mold at5 Deerhaven was true. One person tried to rent Deerhaven for a party I told then they could not by law. Mr. Mc Cotter is a tricky man even the computers at the resort are traced. i still know the combinations to various places. I work with a hos t of Brazilians, and one Argentinian young lady who seems to be picked so Mc Cotters sons could have his choice of ladys . An important note: I left because I was forced out As the Exec. Chef I was replaced two days before Christmas and demoted to Chef De Cuisine/ Cook supervisor and bar tender. There are many stories I can tell you one other reason I was just going to work one season was the pay 7 an hr, and 5 an hour for other employees and lack of housing.(I have a family) I am the one responcible for the new kitchen hoods and changing to pepsi. Sadly the did not go with Mocha Joes Coffee Roasters. Well anyone out there want to hear more let me know and I will contact you. Also I am A Christian and look at ones deeds. Ye shall know them by their fruits It is true that Mc Cotter is not in line with the Bible. He is a bad example but there are many Christians posting including me who should learn even more everyday to be more like Christ. Honest in Businees and personal lives. We need to step up and be the example that need to be displayed that way we do not have a beam in our eye while tring to remove the speck in MC Cotters. Shalom. Marc A. Rogers
Hi Marc! i just wanna your private email address because i would like tell ya something about Robert Rogers. In addition i would like ask you somethings about McCotter and i can tell you others that you would like to know. You will be surprised, i promise
Hi Kelly. I see you know something about Robert Rogers?! I worked with him at the Big Horn Mountain Resorts in Wyoming in 2005. I was fifteen then and he was like an uncle to me – but after Jim McCotter kicked my family off the resort, I saw Robert only a few times, and then I heard he had disappeared. Do you know where he is??? Please email me.
i forgot my email address kelly.mcphrsn@gmail.com
I heard a few years back McCotter was trying to reserect his airplanes, maverick jets. Doesn’t appear to anything more than a 3d computer image, anyone know if one finally left the ground?
The above link goes to an article which was written while The Citizen was still publishing. I know several of the people who worked there, though not closely – one, however, was a colleague of mine who left her job to work at the Citizen. At the time I remember this article was considered quite a mild and even-handed handling of what we in the Christchurch media saw as a ghastly incomprehensible mess.
The names of the journalists involved are spelt correctly here btw; they’re not in the list above.
How sad…you people have terrible stories. I feel for you…but why blame everything you decide to do on others? I guess that’s the nature of things. If something goes wrong, find someone to blame. The fact is you made wrong decisions. Accept responsibility for your actions and you might not make the same mistakes again…but alas, that may be asking too much.
I’m the ex journalist who wrote the piece
Ken Nicholson, (or anyone else out there that knows anything)
I am looking for information about Geoff Botkin, as he moved on to another very cultic group that uses heavy handed tactics and pushes submission doctrine like GCM.
Does anyone know anything about Botkin being a professor in NZ? Or did they just take students from that Lifeway College as interns in their studio at the Cantebury TV station in Christchurch? Botkins’ daughters boast in their book about having a constant influx of college students in their home which allowed them to “study western culture” and the plight of young people. They teach that daughters are the helpmeet of their fathers and serve him in the home until they are given in marriage. Isaac Botkin’s bio said that he supervised Lifeway students, likely showing them around the New Zealand Media group when they likely sent students for practicum. But I would like to get more information about who exactly this Botkin fellow is. It looks as though he was involved in the Great Commission efforts in Silver Spring before he got caught up into the new aberrant religion of Christian Reconstruction known as patriarchy.
If anyone has additional and specific information about Botkin, how he connected with McCotter or why he left NZ, I would love to know.
Botkin has told his religious followers here in the US that he wants Christian homeschoolers to formulate an exit strategy to leave the US and move to New Zealand as they predict some kind of crisis in 2010.
Note, please click on my name and link to my blog, contacting me via the “contact me” button.
Thanks
Cindy K
(Person trying to unmask the Botkin guru)
Just attended a seminar with the Botkin family and as an attorney myself, found it unusual that the many enterprises and ventures mentioned were not disclosed with names. Although the lovely family is a testimony, I wonder what else this man has done to create a sustainable system outside his family, and what successes he is willing to disclose to people whom he encourages to follow to a far away country in the event of catastrophe.
I know all the McCotters very well. Yes, Jim has some issues…like all of us do, but it really sounds to me like you all need to move on with your lives. Really. We all get fired and it sucks. You can sit and blame someone else or you can move on with your life.
I’ve been hurt by Jim but really it does me no good dwelling on it. I’ve let it go. I recommend you all do the same thing. Let it go and get on with your lives.
How would you like to see a website asking everyone to list out all the “bad deeds” you have done. Believe me. EVERYONE have bad deeds that could be listed. Talk about hypocritical.
Move On,
This may not apply to you, and it may not be of interest to some if you do not know McCotter within a Christian context. But I will offer my perspective.
We are all human and we are all sinners. But Jim McCotter is not just “Joe Q Public” or even just a businessman. He is supposed to be an upright Christian leader. The New Testament has some pretty clear requirements spelled out for those who teach and for those who govern activities in churches. The standard for leaders in the church is very high and the responsibilities to be of good character are much higher than standards for those who are not in leadership. They are to be men of the utmost best character and above reproach.
For those of us who are Christians, it isn’t a matter of being unforgiving or requiring a standard of legalistic perfection. This is a matter of meeting the minimum requirements, even for a deacon, listed for us by the Apostles in the New Testament. That is not hypocritical. That’s being a responsible, dutiful Christian. I know that this is not the reason for many who post here on this site, but it must be a concern for some.
It’s also disturbing, because Jim McCotter sits on the Counsel of National Policy, the Christian Right’s think tank answer to the Counsel on Foreign Relations or the Trilateral Commission, or so I always understood it. That alone buys McCotter a great deal of clout and political advantage among those in the Christian Right. And the church is already seen as an hypocritical organization by the younger generations because we don’t hold our own accountable for breaking all the rules and for not being transparent. You would hope that the Christians who call McCotter their friend and co-laborer for the sake of Christianity would hold him accountable. If there is any hypocrisy, it is the fact that the Evangelical Christian Church has left this man get away with things ranging from aberrant to what some have suggested is murder.
I understand that Christian leaders need to be pointed out, but your search for everyone to post bad deeds that this man has done is GOSSIP…plain and simple.
I don’t know him at all….no need for me to stand up for him…sound like he has done a lot of harm, but you are not reacting to him and giving him power in your life by your anger. Turn it over to God. Have you been praying for him?
I meant you ARE reacting to him and giving… in my comment above.
Hey everyone! i need Marc Aaron Rogers email address, it is pretty important.
Do you suggest using a bed bug spray or is that a bad thing? I don’t want to use anything that is not natural.
it is always easy to find good ski resorts online, but most of them are expensive but they are great anyway ‘~;
Have you ever thought about creating an e-book or guest authoring on other sites? I have a blog based on the same subjects you discuss and would love to have you share some stories/information. I know my audience would appreciate your work. If you are even remotely interested, feel free to send me an e mail.
you can be a horrible businessman and still be a good person. Jim has raised some kids who have their oddities like everyone else, but his son Titis became what felt like a brother to me. 5 years after not seeing them I still do miss that family. I enjoyed my time there for the most part, all six months of working there. by the end of the second month, I was fourth in seniority. People came and people went, for their own reasons, cause they thought it would be different, and some just did not know what it was like living with other people and working with them during the day. Try living at school, and only seeing those same people afterward. Lots of reasons. I did have some really in depth conversations with Jim and he gave me lots of good advice. He really used The Word to help me deal with a situation involving “noble and ignoble vessels”, ironically as it seems. I have met a lot of wealthy people in my life, people as wealthy as them even. Their reality is not our reality. They view employees as business tools and investments. To make something work you have to do what you feel best utilizes that resources and manpower you either can or cannot afford. I agreed to work for him. Knowing the pay. Misled about the conditions. Knowing though that I was making a sacrifice and taking a plunge one way or another! I miss that resort and that time in my life despite how hard my life became after! They were a blessing to me, especially Titus, and the whole experience is a very happy moment looking back.
People in the business world need to be able to size someone up and research facts and figure out if the investment is worth making. If you lose money it is because with investment there is always risk! Whether its investing yourself in a job you can loose or in a company that will fail. Jim is obviously not a good businessman, but he raised some well adjusted kids and was able to give correct and Godly spiritual advice on a one to one level. Never judge someone before walking a mile in their shoes. I dont know what is in that mans head, but he has his demons like we do.
It is really sad that peoples lives got ruined by his bad business decisions and lack of personal compassion as a leader and authority of others. He will get his judgement from God and it will be righteous and deserving.
I understand the point of this blog. I even agree to an extent. Part of grieving and dealing with pain is venting it. I was hurt by some stuff but I forgave. We should be focusing our prayers on potential investors and employees and hope that they can research the dealings they make with Jim thoroughly and completely so that it can be in their best interest.
After all, anyone who will take a job without researching it and speaking to the owner or manager is being careless. I lived in Indiana and talked on the phone with him for an hour after submitting half a resume. I weighed the risks, moving across the country and giving up family and friends. It was a choice I made. That is what you do. And if it does not go well you were not obligated to stay at any time. He bought many employees bus tickets to anywhere.
besides. If he has never operated a successful business then surely someone who has could see through him and would be able to see through his facade and know that he is not something worth risking anything with.
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I went to buy Big Horn resort in 2004. I had no money.
I did however get 2 lovely nights and 4 meals from Jim.
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So much terrible mischaracterization of a wonderful brother! Jim McCotter is nothing like the representations made by many on here. If you’ve ever spent any time with Him you’d know that. To this day he’s laboring for the Kingdom. Go to Facebook Jim McCotter LIVE. He’ll be starting a daily podcast in September!
but did he own up to what he did, has he repented and forsaken those who didn’t repent?
Jim McCotter is a master manipulator, narcissist, egomaniac and complete monster. He has destroyed countless families and lives through his various cults, including my own family. He has fooled and hoodwinked tens of thousands of people, and has squandered tens of millions of dollars through various completely failed business mis-adventures. This blog barely scratches the surface of the horrendous things he has done. This coming from someone that spent over 30 years witnessing his life first hand.
You know Vince, as we have grown closer and as I get to know your heart better, I trust you that Jim is not the person being described here.
But obviously, Jim has a history with a lot of people. Does he talk about his past, does he talk about past mistakes, about people being hurt by his decisions or actions? Does he talk about the fact that a lot of people have accused him of doing bad things?
My point is if he hasn’t then he is hiding his past,or maybe hiding from his past and maybe that is something to be concerned about? or maybe he talks about the things he has done in the past and he has a repentant heart and desires to be better?
The things we do, shape us and when they shape us and we are living in community with others they come up in conversation, in teaching, they are life lessons we pass along to others.
Just say’in because he teaches good OT, doesn’t make him a flawless human being.
Jim has a weekday live show. On any Friday (including tomorrow) YOU can ask questions, ANY questions and he will answer. How about you check it out? You can get to it via facebook @jimmccotterlive, or on the youtube channel Jim McCotter LIVE
How about you confront Jim with his “far off” theology, and ask a question. You can type it in, or come right on the show. Either way, let’s allow Jim to share his theology by answering any questions you’d like to ask!?
Hi Terry. I’m not sure where flawless human being comes in, and I don’t really care about Jim’s failed business ventures. I’ve been an entrepreneur for many years, and I’ve had to shut down many businesses. The problem for me is ALWAYS the same: I stay in too long, and I lose SO much before I close, that my unwillingness to get out while I still can with any money forces me to close when it’s all gone. I hope and convince myself in those last months that I can figure it out and keep everyone working and come back, but in the end everyone is out of a job because I’m out of money! I don’t know about Jim’s ability as a businessman, but I’m pretty sure he’s not good at it. He actually tried to start a newspaper in 2000? Why would anyone figure that could work, yet he seemed to have kept it going for 2 years, lol…can you even imagine how much $$$ it lost?
That said, I cherish my relationship with Jim. He and his wife live with his son, daughter in law and their wonderful children in Florida. I have spent a lot of time with the family, met several of his children, and there is so much fruit in thier lives. They are a great bunch of people who live very conservatively and do not appear by any stretch of the imagination to have great wealth. Did they lose it all trying to be in business? I’d guess yes, but I don’t care, and with regard to “all the pain he caused to employees”? Please. I have had to close businesses, and being railed on and called the bad guy is par for the course. It sucks to fail, but then it’s part of the deal when you mess up as an owner. That has NOTHING to do with the real value of Jim and his family. You’ve listened to his teaching. I’ve met the man and the teaching and the man match. You can’t fake that. You just can’t.
Vince, his theology is so far off in the deep end you’d need a submarine to navigate, unless you are one of the few brave souls still stuck in the 1950s. From his views on women, child discipline, politics, society, and pretty much everything else – he is 100% off his rocker, and this can be verified by anyone that has either heard him teach, or watched his drivel on Facebook or Youtube.
Vince, on the non-religious side, people have railed against Jim due to poor working conditions, extremely low to non-existent pay, and a relentless string of poor decisions and bad management. First hand experience here, not hearsay. I watched him blow through literal millions.
The emotional and spiritual abuse that he has inflicted on countless people, myself included, defines him as an absolute monster.
Jim has a weekday live show. On any Friday (including tomorrow) YOU can ask questions, ANY questions and he will answer. How about you check it out? You can get to it via facebook @jimmccotterlive, or on the youtube channel Jim McCotter LIVE
How about you confront Jim with his “far off” theology, and ask a question. You can type it in, or come right on the show. Either way, let’s allow Jim to share his theology by answering any questions you’d like to ask!?
As of now, you still have not worked up the love or courage to confront Jim face to face live on the show. Why is that? It’s really easy to make accusations in a vacuum. You have the opportunity to talk to Jim with no filters, yet you don’t? I think you obviously don’t even know Jim or anything about his theology. If anyone wants a very large body of work about what Jim’s theology entails, you can go to youtube, and type in Jim McCotter Live channel and watch MONTHS of Jim talking about Jesus, the bible, and everything he believes. It’s time to take down all the gossip and slander. It is ALL false and NOONE who has made claims against Jim has had the courage to confront him. How sad. You pretended it was all so important. You lied, and you didn’t want Jim to show up and expose you. Sorry. Truth wins.
Also, Vince, it appears you are currently working for or helping Jim. Might want to disclose that you have a slight bias on the subject.
I think I made my thoughts about Jim COMPLETELY clear. Yes. I’m helping Jim with his weekday show Jim McCotter LIVE which is available on you tube and on facebook @jimmccotterlive
I sure hope you’ll ask some of your questions and expose all that bad theology. I’d hate to think you’re not willing to put Jim on the spot. If you’d rather text me the questions, I’ll be happy to put them on the show. My cell is 404-405-6358
I think Jim is a awesome guy and well grounded , I known Jim for countless years and never once took advantage of me nor my house church family, Jim very outspoken on his belief’s and very conservitive and his children deeply love him and grandkids , proof is in the pudding , the great commission churches continue to be a strong movement he had help launched eons ago and NO am not on his payroll nor would be, vince chabarria 8312293248
Vince – none of that could be further from the truth.His relationship with many of kids kids is totally broken. And GCI/GCM/GXC has fully disbanded. The movement has left tens of thousands of broken or damaged lives in its wake… There are literally counselors that specialize in people recovering from the movement.